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We've been talking about Nostradamas, 2012, Dan Brown and all sorts of conspiracy/end of the world subjects at work today. I can honestly say I work with an intelligent group of people with widely diverse views on science and religion. That being said, one of my co-workers told me he based his thoughts on the evolution of the Aztec calendar, or rather its abrupt end, and their predictions. And, of course, at some point Nostradamas figured into our conversation. The latter two theories predict the end of the world in 2012.

Though very comfortable with my particular theology and the balance between religion and science, which more often than not are opposing forces in many public eyes, I tend to lean towards science for explanations. And I reminded my co-worker that for anyone with any sort of Judeo-Christian beliefs, Armageddon cannot predicted by man (though even that I could argue should I choose the role of Devil’s advocate - which for all intents and purposes, I am not).

A couple of scientists put out a book this year regarding the “de-evolution” of Earth. The theory is that the earth has remained a constant, relatively anyway, due to the atmosphere changing even as the sun has grown exponentially in size and power. While that keeps Earth a cozy home for its inhabitants, it is not without cost. Carbon extinction is now a very real concern, and programs such as the governments carbon credits are not advanced or accelerated enough to correct such dire predicted consequences.

Jump ahead a half a billion years, and the Earth first swells into a “red giant” then contracts, then once again rapidly expands into a red super-giant melting life as we knew it off the planet... and maybe even the planet itself... before becoming a white dwarf star doomed to forever fade from our galactic neighbors. As the scientists were quoted saying, “our day in the sun will be over.”

This does not even take into account the recent "bombing" of the moon. While harmless - this time - I could not help but consider that if future bombings of the moon get bigger and bang-ier (yes, I know that isn't a word) then one day we may not have a moon. The moon creates tide and reflects life and all that, so maybe the Mayans were right? There is no calendar because calendars are based on the cycles of the moon (and subversely the sun). One of my co-workers say we will die with no moon - either way - I hope they don't bomb the moon in 2012. I'm only halfway kidding.

So my question, albeit both a simple and complex one, is whether with such predictions, and keeping in mind the scientists’ explanations of how Earth has survived thus far, could this not also alter the planets beyond Earth into being more hospitable for human life? And in such a large migration towards life on other planets, would this become a government undertaking or simply, like most things here on Earth, open to the privileged and powerful?

Back to my thoughts on life on Mars, it really could be plausible, no? Nostradamus was quoted as saying, “In the year 1999 and seven months, the Great King of Terror shall come from the sky. He will bring to life the King of The Mongols. Before and after, Mars reigns happily." Of course, like any overscrutinized prophecy, there is much more to Nostradamus and his bordering-on-insane writings but quite honestly, he makes my head hurt.

You said yall were talking about Dan Brown, but didn't say what was discussed, concerning him and conspiracy theories. Interesting subjects he covers, makes for huge sales.

Meri wrote

there is much more to Nostradamus and his bordering-on-insane writings but quite honestly, he makes my head hurt.



He was a very interesting soul. Can you imagine how his head must have been hurting as he "witnessed history to come"?

btw, I like your use of "bang-ier". I think it qualifies as a word.

Nostradamas is good for entertainment. But one has to wonder the way things are shaping up if we are not headed for some kind of self inflicted end. And no I do not believe in global warming. We have been cooling since 1998 and the Ice Pack is growing. Last time the Northwest Passage was open,( this being Al Gores smoking gun), was 1490's who were we blaming it on then.
Nuclear war is likely, North Korea, Iran, Russia is back in the run, Syria wants to be, and Pakistan can barely keep theirs secure. Going up in a flash.

As far as Dan Brown, we were discussing some of his subjects from the DaVinci Code and Angels and Demons. Yes, they are fictitious but there is enough history based questions that beg for consideration to anyone with an open mind.

I watched bits and pieces of the 2012 specials this weekend and a lot of it is not too far off from what scientists, and Nostradamus, have said. The opinions ranged from ridiculous - the knowledge of the Mayans came from us, who are actually descendants of Mars which experienced such cataclysms 250,000 years ago, to the hopeful - that the end of the calendar is really just another cycle where the world experiences a giant blackout and many die while others learn to adjust in the decade before electricity is re-harnessed by learning to live off the land. And, of course, there is always the theory that Dec. 20, 2012 is just another day like the dawning of Millennium almost 10 years ago.

I still think much is open to translation. If you really wanted to, you could find providence in a cornflake, a leaf or anything else.

As for the global warming, how can you not believe that? When I was born, many of the parents, were subject to preaching of population control. Why? Because it was believed if we continued to grow and advance that resources such as oil, food, water, etc. would become less available. Look on the LCRA website and see what those folks are experiencing with their water supplies. Anwar aside, our oil consumption keeps mounting, so much so that it was a huge factor in this last election. Additionally, if you believe any of these doomdays sayers, our land mass will be either obliterated or greatly reduced due to melting icecaps, tsunamis from our magnetic poles sliding towards the equator (which they have become documented to move over the last 50 years) and any number of other things due to mass populations, and in turn, global warming. But I suppose we'll keep blundering ahead as people always do and deal with it when it happens.

Well,I say that the Mayans just got lazy or their calendars stopped selling.
Personally,Sam and Dean unleashed the end of the world and so on and so forth.People have been predicting the end of the world since we could communicate.Que Sera Sera

edit: I am SO NOT seeing 2012

I'm curious about the movie, myself. It's always interesting to see theories, which is what they all are anyway, in an entertaining vehicle.

every report i heard about the movie was that it was big and noisy - if you like special effects then it's a fun flick. if you prefer real acting, then skip it.

i'm torn. i like sci-fi & special effects, but i like good acting too. and movies with huge special effects are always better seen on the big screen, so if i see it, sadly, i'll have to sit in a movie theater & pay that high ticket price & listen to a bunch of idiotic teenagers or screaming kids.

before you flame me, i enjoy both ages of kids - but if you've got a toddler and it's nap time or dinner time, please reconsider the time you see the movie for not just your enjoyment, but also the other ticket holders and your child. children's welfare should come before the parents.

I'll be the first to admit, and grant you, I have four kids, that I HATE going to the movies with a bunch of kids. We used to always go to the latest possible movie but some parents have no common sense these day, so it really doesn't matter.

We saw Paranormal Activity a few weeks ago, a real wanker of a flick btw, and there were a couple of toddlers in there. Duh! It was 9 something at night and a scary movie - why on earth would you bring a toddler?!

Stagnating Temperatures
Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out

"Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents."

www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html

another theory might be due to the measures that mankind has already taken? could it be that everything that's been done glabally for the last few years have actually had a positive measurable result?

Give me a break. We try and decrease co2(which if you remember in science is necessary for plants to survive to give off oxygen so we can breath) and third world countries increase, so it's relatively the same. The more co2 you have in the atmosphere, the more plant growth you get and therefore the more clean oxygen you have to breath. The more plants there are, wildlife has more food so they thrive. The largest greenhouse gas in the atmosphere is h2o, are we going to eliminate water next? All this crap is based on junk science. A consensus is not proof of a theory. History shows the earth has periods of warming and cooling. What happened to all those hurricanes we were supposed to have this year? Same scientist came to a consensus on that too, based on their computer models.

Why does everyone ignore the fact that the earth heats up during the same time the sun has more solar flares, and cools when the sun has less? They keep saying the ice caps are melting, yet they have been growing. www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517035,00.html
www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/media_cr..._not_ice_caps_1.html
They are are hiding the real facts about what is going on because of how much money they are making. Why did they change the wording from "global warming" to "global climate change?" Because they are lying through their teeth about it. Why don't they listen to the scientists, which are the actual majority, that say it is junk science.
www.amlibpub.com/liberty_blog/2009/01/na...ts-false-global.html
www.tulsabeacon.com/?p=462

For all the religious folks out there, do you really think that God would make a planet that couldn't sustain modern life? If you believe that, then you would have to also come to the conclusion that His creation(Earth) is less than perfect for sustaining human life.

One word to consider: Evolution.

All the global warming hype is being exposed as BS as we speak.

Meri wrote:

As for the global warming, how can you not believe that? When I was born, many of the parents, were subject to preaching of population control. Why? Because it was believed if we continued to grow and advance that resources such as oil, food, water, etc. would become less available. Look on the LCRA website and see what those folks are experiencing with their water supplies. Anwar aside, our oil consumption keeps mounting, so much so that it was a huge factor in this last election. Additionally, if you believe any of these doomdays sayers, our land mass will be either obliterated or greatly reduced due to melting icecaps, tsunamis from our magnetic poles sliding towards the equator (which they have become documented to move over the last 50 years) and any number of other things due to mass populations, and in turn, global warming. But I suppose we'll keep blundering ahead as people always do and deal with it when it happens.

This is why I do not believe in global warming... Just because someone calls themself a "Expert" does not make them one.

The Great Global Warming Fraud
Posted by Erick Erickson
Sunday, November 22nd at 7:59PM EST

Late last week, servers at Britain’s Climate Research Unit, a part of the University of East Anglia, were hacked and over 172 megabytes of data dumped onto the internet for public access.

The data paints an ugly picture of scientists operating as political hacks orchestrating smear campaigns against global warming dissidents, deleting files rather than make their data publicly available, and manufacturing data to prove their case when the actual data does nothing of the sort.

The University of East Anglia has confirmed the authenticity of the documents. With that confirmation, we see global warming for what it is — a scam perpetuated by scientists intent on gaining access to money.

Even the Washington Post has felt the need to cover this story. The Australian Herald Sun was one of the first to cover the story. They note:


The 1079 emails and 72 documents seem indeed evidence of a scandal involving most of the most prominent scientists pushing the man-made warming theory - a scandal that is one of the greatest in modern science. I’ve been adding some of the most astonishing in updates below - emails suggesting conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organized resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more. If it is as it now seems, never again will “peer review” be used to shout down skeptics.
This is clearly not the work of some hacker, but of an insider who’s now blown the whistle.

Ed Morrisey, at Hot Air, and others have done significant digging into the emails and documents. The highlights are:

Prominent environmental scientists organize a boycott of scientific journals if those journals publish scholarly material from global warming dissidents.
The scientists then orchestrate attacks on the dissidents because of their lack of scholarly material published in scientific journals.
The scientists block from the UN’s report on global warming evidence that is harmful to the anthropogenic global warming consensus.
The scientists, when faced with a freedom of information act request for their correspondence and data, delete the correspondence and data lest it be used against them.
The scientists fabricate data when their data fails to prove the earth is warming. In fact, in more than one case, scientists engaged in lengthy emails on how to insert additional made up data that would in turn cause their claims to stand out as legitimate.
Andrew Bolt of the Australian Herald Sun has sifted through the emails and finds some surprises that, at first, he was not sure were authentic, but have now been confirmed to be authentic. One, from Kevin Trenbeth in Bolder, CO, to a group of fellow global warming scientists, admits “that [they] can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that [they] can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong.”

Another, from Professor Phil Jones at the Climate Research Unit, admits he “completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline [in global temperatures].”

This is damning stuff.