The discussion is on other boards as well, as you probably suspect. Although, I think the discussion is more narrowed to banning muslims (instead of all foreign born people) from the military. Here's a few tidbits that were posted there :
Report Shows Soldier 'Deteriorating' Before Allegedly Killing 5 Troops
BAGHDAD — An American soldier who killed five fellow troops at a clinic was poorly monitored and had been unraveling for nearly two weeks before the shootings, but the military lacked clear procedures for handling the volatile situation, a report into the incident has stated.
Sgt. John M. Russell is accused of shooting and killing five soldiers at a military counseling center at a U.S. base last May. The shooting deaths drew attention to the issues of combat stress and morale among troops serving multiple tours in Iraq.
The extensive 325-page report, issued Friday and obtained by The Associated Press Tuesday, included detailed witness statements describing the events leading up to the shootings, paints a picture of soldier on his third deployment who began to show obvious signs of unraveling nearly two weeks before the shootings at the clinic.
The report offered a detailed step-by-step accounting of Russell's behavior and actions at Baghdad's Camp Liberty on May 11 in the hours leading up to the shootings.
Russell, who's faces charges of murder and aggravated assault, had been making his fourth visit to a mental health clinic in Iraq when the appointment was cut short because Russell was "verbally noncompliant," the report stated. Clinic personnel then called the military police, who declined to arrest him and ordered him returned to his unit.
Less than an hour later, Russell managed to grab a loaded M-16 rifle from a fellow soldier and steal a vehicle. He then went back into the counseling facility and shot and killed four soldiers and one sailor.
In the days leading up to the incident, many of Russell's fellow soldiers had noticed that his behavior appeared to be "deteriorating," the report stated.
On the morning of May 11, Russell was taken by a member of his worried unit to the clinic after being "irritable" and telling other members of his unit to "get away from me," according to the report.
The report said although the unit knew of Russell's suicidal thoughts at least 3-4 days prior to the incident, little appeared to have been done to effectively monitor him.
One person interviewed by investigators said that Russell's roommate would keep an eye on him when he was around, but otherwise there was not enough personnel to completely monitor him.
"There is no clear procedure or established training guidelines in any of the references for managing soldiers identified as 'at risk for suicide' or the proper way to conduct suicide watch," the report stated.
A breakdown in communication also contributed to the deadly series of events. One section of the report describes how units responding after Russell stole the weapon, instead of than reacting immediately, had to first meet up in person to coordinate their actions because radio communication was poor.
Additionally, nobody alerted the counseling clinic that Russell had stolen a weapon and a vehicle, the report said.
The U.S. military in Iraq did not immediately respond to an Associated Press request for comment regarding the findings or what steps were taken to implement recommendations in the report.
there are 172 cases and growing currently in the military. I won't list them here but click on the link & you'll see a cross section of races represented within the list.
not sure where the following came from, but a poster found it and posted it :
His call sign is "Hadji," meaning "one who has made a pilgrimage to Mecca."
"It's a pilot thing," explains Colonel Douglas Burpee, the highest ranking Muslim officer in the U.S. Marine Corps. Now in his 23rd year of military service, Colonel Burpee recently returned from flying helicopters in Afghanistan.
"Everyone knows I'm a Muslim. When I fly, attached to my dog tags, I wear a pendant with a passage from the Koran," he says. "I try to set a good example based upon what I believe.... I can be a soldier and a Muslim at the same time. I have no problem with that."
In the era of the war on terror, the example of a devout Muslim serving in the American Military is a heartening sign that highlights the difference between America and its self-appointed enemies in this conflict. This is not a clash of civilizations, but a fight between a modern pluralistic democracy and intolerant murders who have hijacked one of the world's great faiths.
Certainly that's Colonel Burpee's view. "These people who commit terrorism have just adopted the face of Islam - nothing they say or do have anything to do with Islam," he says. "The Taliban is a terrorist organization - they are bad people doing bad things and they've attached religion to it. They are ruthless when it comes to killing people, but that's how you move helpless people around - you use fear."
Out of the 1.4 million service men and women serving actively in the American military, an estimated 3,700 are Muslim, according to the Department of Defense.
Colonel Burpee's path to both Islam and the military is not necessarily typical. With blond hair that is now going gray, he was born in America and raised Episcopalian. He converted to Islam when he was 19 for a very American reason: "I met a pretty girl" - an Egyptian woman named Hala who was a fellow student at the University of Southern California in the late 1970s. Three years later he was accepted at the Officers Candidates' School in Quantico, Va. Now he and Hala and their five sons live in Glendale, Calif.
"We believe in god and family and prayer - the same things as everyone who believes in religion," he says. But his reaction to September 11th fit a less typical script. "I watched the attacks on TV, like everybody else. The first thing we did afterwards was go to the mosque because people were concerned about a backlash. On the other hand, I had to call into my squadron and ask, 'Hey, are we being activated?'" Colonel Burpee straddles his two worlds, but he is not typical of Islam or the military.
Perhaps a more typical portrait of a Muslim soldier in the U.S. military comes from Sergeant Youseff Mandour of the U.S. Army. He immigrated to America from Morocco at the age of 17 and joined the army at age 22. Now 25, he just returned from 12 months in Iraq. Like Colonel Burpee, he aspires to a lifelong career in the military. "I'm fighting for a better life and a belief in freedom," he says. "I had a chance to get involved. I learned the English language and appreciate everything this country has given to me. That's why I joined the Army. The U.S. is doing great things."
Sergeant Mandour takes special offense at the terrorists who murder in the name of his faith. "The war on terror is not about Islam. This is a war against criminals who use religion to say they are good people, but they're no better than the Mafia. They're just common criminals, many with criminal records ... It was great that I got to use my training against people who tried to kill us and who tried to give a wrong idea about my religion."
Nor is Sergeant Mandour agnostic about the war in Iraq. "We are not there to fight Islam but spread democracy. I feel very ashamed for those like Osama Bin Laden who use the religion of Islam and call for a jihad. You can't call a jihad against people trying to help, and I believe we are helping people in Iraq. I helped more people in Iraq than I ever did in my life as a soldier and as a Muslim."
Few people in the world can view the war on terror with more clarity than Muslim soldiers serving in the U.S. military. While figures like Osama Bin Laden and his henchmen try to divide the world by arguing that the war on terror is really a war between Islam and the west, our Islamic soldiers' example exposes their rhetoric for the lie that it is. The west is not a religion. It is instead a pluralistic place that opens its arms to all people of good faith regardless of race, nationality, or religion. And if soldiers who are proud to be American and Muslim at the same time can help heal some of the existing divides by the strength of their example, so much the better.
These Muslim U.S. soldiers are, in some ways, the point men in this moment in our history, exemplifying the new edge of a far older trend. As Colonel Burpee says, "My family first came here as French Huguenots a few hundred years ago. They were oppressed and they came to America because it allowed them to practice their religion and live in freedom. That is the same reason that the Muslims have come here ... So is there a clash of civilizations? I don't think so. I think you have an old world and a new world. And we are the new world."
That is exactly where I would want us to be.
John P. Abizaid retired from the United States Army in May, 2007, after thirty-four years of active service. After graduating from the United States Military Academy at West Point, he rose from second lieutenant of infantry to four-star general in the Army.
At the time of his retirement he was the longest-serving commander of United States Central Command, with responsibility for an area spanning 27 countries in the Middle East, Southwest Asia, and the Horn of Africa. During a distinguished career he commanded units at every level, serving in the combat zones of Grenada, Lebanon, Kurdistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq. Units under his command have included the 1st Infantry Division, a brigade in the 82nd Airborne Division, and two Ranger companies. Abizaid worked on the Joint Staff three times, the last as Director. He studied at the University of Jordan in Amman, holds a master’s degree in Middle Eastern Studies from Harvard University, and is widely considered to be an expert in the field of Middle Eastern affairs. As such, Abizaid was one of the first to recognize the protracted nature of the ongoing conflict against religious-inspired extremists, which he once termed “The Long War.”
General Abizaid serves as the Distinguished Chair of the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point. He is a Distinguished Fellow of the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, and works with the Preventative Defense Project at Stanford University and Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. He speaks on leadership and international security through the Washington Speakers’ Bureau. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the International Institute for Strategic Studies, and serves as a Director of the George Olmsted Foundation. Through his consulting company, JPA Partners LLC, General Abizaid advises small businesses through Fortune 500 companies nationally and internationally, and serves as a Board Member for both USAA and RPM, Inc.
Name: Adil Almontaser
Branch: US Marine Corps
Status: Honorable Discharge
Billet: Logistics & Supply
Current Job: Police Officer with NYPD
Meritoriously Promoted (for exceptional performance ranking him top 1-2% of peers) to the ranks of:
- Private First Class,
- Lance Corporal, and
Corporal Almontaser served 4 years active duty - USMC 1992-1996
-2 years IRR - usmc 1996-1998
-2 years Active Reserve - new york army
national guard 1998-2000
"Greatest Moment" - going to iwa jima, while stationed with MWHS-1 (Marine Wing Headquarters Squadron-1), and
climbing mount surabachi. (also gathering some black
sand off the beach- volcanic ash)
Officer Adil Almontaser is currently serving as a Police Officer in New York
- Founder and President of the American Muslim Law Enforcement Officers Association (AMLEOA)
- Honored by ADC and the Islamic Institute.
Muslim Officers and Firefighter Honored for 9/11 Heroism.
President Bush says they are among this Country's Greatest Heroes.